View On PC/Browser



I think comment about making a PWA solves a lot of the issues we’re talking about

  1. Everyone gets the same updates when they are pushed out at the same time (no whining that iOS didn't get an update with new functionality but Android did)
  2. Everyone has a browser. Not all browsers support ALL functions of a PWA, but most support some features and most are working to improve their ability to fully support PWA's
  3. No having to deal with Google or Apple store review process
  4. Allows people to use the computing device(s) they prefer, on the screen size that makes the most sense to them, regardless of OS. Can also use a remote machine when you don't have your phone with you or don't have service (IE many people in high rise buildings with lots of steel or in dense cities)
  5. Fewer developer resources when you are building a single web based app instead of two distinct apps


The other side of it is that … you have to limit what you do with a $20 camera. That’s just reality. Axis sells a competitor for 10x the price which has every protocol imaginable, and a huge list of features.


Also, I have no insider info, but I’m pretty sure that Wyze’s play here is to get people addicted to $20 cameras and online storage, then spring the real price on them. They’re not making money now. When there’s enough market penetration, you will see a freemium model with upgraded cloud features and such, for a price. My prediction, not inside info.



I appreciate all of your contributions to this discussion and certainly don’t think you’ve been argumentative. I too work in tech, I think many Wyze customers do :slight_smile:


I’m down for PWA as long as the mobile apps stay. That’s what Wyze Labs built their foundation on and I don’t see any reason why a browser should render JavaScript let alone a full blown application. It’s meant to display text and pictures.

It’s meant to display text and pictures
The Smartcast apps, including Vudu, Amazon Prime, and Netflix on my Vizio P65 beg to differ with you. Not a single native app on my TV. All are web players.


Those aren’t web browsers. They are actually apps, the choice between them rather than have a unified interface like WebKit based. :slight_smile:


All the “apps” are just HTML5 running in one giant generic browser. There are no local apps anymore on any Smartcast enabled vizio.

It’s meant to display text and pictures
Hoo boy. Hopefully this doesn't trigger a replay of the W3C wars from a decade ago ?

Deep breaths kiddies ?


You can think I’m wrong and that’s okay. JS and HTML5 have ruined the web to me.

"We have a gigabit connection for $120/mo"
$1440 yr. for internet is not typical for most people.


"your data is NOT always in someone else’s hands. You can encrypt it"
The company still holds a copy of the key...

The company still holds a copy of the key…
Once again you're making blanket statements that simply aren't true. I gave you the perfect example since it's been in the news so much, with their FBI fight and others. When you use Apple iCloud, only YOU hold the keys, and Apple has no access to the data. This is one of the top three reasons that my Androids are just toys and real data/work goes on iDevices. Other companies may or may not hold the keys, but there's no one rule.


And in many cases you can still encrypt the data also. I manage a couple of HIPAA-covered backup systems where the provider encrypts BOTH with their key and the customer key. Nobody can get the data without BOTH keys. This meets HIPAA needs very well, and allows online storage of protected data legally and safely.


"When you use Apple iCloud, only YOU hold the keys, and Apple has no access to the data."
LOL. I'm not worried about Apple, I'm worried about hackers. Hmmm... why would someone plead guilty for actually hacking into more than 250 iCloud accounts, if they are supposedly so secure? Weird.



The article says that the accounts were not hacked. He social engineered people into providing him their credentials.


Yup, so a service that has almost a billion users sees just .000025 of its users do something stupid and lose data, which incidentally is much lower than the rate of people losing their local data, and that’s evidence of “hacking??”


"so a service that has almost a billion users"
If by "almost a billion" you mean 782 million, then I'd say your math is off a bit. LOL.
"which incidentally is much lower than the rate of people losing their local data"
Where are you pulling these magical figures from?
"that’s evidence of “hacking??”"
When rippers were able to get passwords easier because of tools like iBrute, and tools like Elcomsoft Phone Password Breaker to download entire backups, yes I'd say that's considered to be hacking. He didn't plead guilty to hacking for the fun of it.


782 million in 2016. You might want to check your calendar, among other “facts” you should check.



Don’t need to check the calendar. Apple signs my check, thank you very much. Speaking of “facts” you forgot to mention about the bug in iCloud Drive that can result in permanent data loss…

BTW, there is no such bug when saving to a local hard drive.

Late last year Apple released a security update to cover some known vulnerabilities issues, but security is always an ongoing thing with computers.

BTW, there is no such security issue when saving to a local hard drive :slight_smile:




You could use TinyCam to monitor the feeds via a browser, by activating it’s Web Server feature. Just add the wyze cams to the Android TinyCam app first.


BTW, there is no such bug when saving to a local hard drive.


/sigh... apparently you don't know the difference between a firmware bug, and a security issue, and I don't know many people who are using a hard drive from back in 2009, but those few on the planet that may still be using a 9 year old hard drive can fix the issue by simply installing the newest firmware. BTW, that's something you can't do with iCloud :)
"Hard Drive Firmware Data Recovery Case Study"
Non Sequitur. Gillware is a data recovery company, you know, for those who are foolish enough not to back up their hard drive. Still not a security issue. They would not have been contacted if the client would have simply made a hard drive backup.

This is fun. Next :slight_smile: