It would be even more expensive to move my houses to EU.
I am sorry if we gave you the impression we were speaking only of an as yet unreleased outdoor camera. We were not.
Did Wyze start selling their cams in the EU? I was unaware of this.
This adaptor is a very nice option for usb power. I need one of these on my night stand.
Ah yes. What is the definition of an Elephant? A mouse built to EU specifications.
I would agree with having a corded version of the outside cam. Im not a fan at all of battery cameras.
No doubt. However, they’re probably intending to sell their product worldwide and with that it mind it makes sense to produce a product that doesn’t potentially have difficulties in some markets, especially when those issues are easily avoided.
BTW, I edited my post above as it contained a couple of inaccuracies and wasn’t totally global in outlook - the dangers of writing posts at 4am in the morning when tired.
So far as I’m aware they’re sold globally through Amazon.
I have been been guilty of this numerous times
I think as the current wyze cam is a powered internal cam you only have people from part of the market here there’s a bit of a bias
I personally have wyze indoors & another brand battery powered cam outdoors
Just because there’s a handful of people wanting poe here doesn’t mean that it would do better in the market, probably the opposite, most people want something they are familiar with, having to get a poe injector / switch & running a ethernet network around a house will probably put them off
Just because you want it & pro systems use it, doesn’t mean it’ll do well in the domestic market
If it makes so much sense other big brand domestic companies would have already done it like Netgear who as a networking company anyway
I totally agree and that is why you will not see POE on the outdoor camera coming up.
And probably the same reason you will not see it on the Wyze Cam v3 .
I don’t think wyze should waste their time with it ( like they did with RTSP ), if you really want POE you can get adapters to do it now
They may be, however Wyze does not authorize those sales. At the moment they only sell in the US market. I am sure that will change someday.
If Wyze is to grow they need to be an international brand even if only through retailers such as Amazon.
Equally, it would be short sighted to design a product solely suitable for the domestic market as the consequence of this would be an expensive re-design if they ever decided to go global. To that end, it’s far better to design to an international standard such as POE than try to rely on USB as the charging / cable data method for long range outdoor communication. Assuming WYZE is going to retain a battery and sd card, POE makes more sense for wired runs than USB for global compatibility and long runs,
I still feel that you are still trying to make this a commercial product not domestic
Not sure what you mean by “retain” a battery. The existing cameras do not use batteries.
I am reasonably sure that Wyze has plans to expand but please remember they do not make the cameras they make the firmware and software.
Going forward they may choose to actually build the camera. If they do then I am sure they will look at other successful products in the Market, like Arlo, and Amazon, and Ring.
Note that none of these cameras which are sold globally offer POE. Ring sort of does via an adapter.
Not at all. Wireless is pretty useless for outdoor cameras. The quality is generally poor, range restricted, prone to interference and the reliability of connection low.
For power, as mentioned above USB has numerous problems not least of which is USB cables are limited to 16ft of length max before repeating amplifiers are required (slightly longer if power only not power and data). In most properties you’d use that 16 feet before even getting the cable out of the house. USB cables are very expensive when you look at charging rated cables, (most regular usb cables are unsuitable for charging and either carry a fire risk or risk damage to the device through power loss), they are not waterproof, not uv resistant etc.
Putting in a USB power supply outside to enable a short USB connection to overcome the cable limitations, causes all sorts of issues including the expense of WYZE designing a waterproof power adaptor and then having some means of power supply point to plug or wire it into in the form of either adding an outside IP68 rated socket (again expensive with a professional electrician required) and most of these won’t accommodate the size of a power adaptor, just a regular plug, or as suggested above taking power from an external light fitting (even assuming you have enough light fittings in the right locations to match the cameras and not foregoing that in many jurisdictions taking power from a light fitting may well be illegal and in some cases danergous).
POE on the other hand uses a POE switch plugged into your pc. Cheap ethernet cable plugs in and into the camera at the other. Carries both data and power with almost unlimited distance.
You seem to be forgetting this is an outdoor camera and that makes the logistics of data and power much more difficult than for indoors.
Re the battery, probably something I picked up from the wish list. Not a fan of batteries tbh. Can easily overheat and catch fire in summer, lose most of their charge when cold in winter, require regular maintenance / charging etc.
Ring may have sold a lot of doorbells because it was a unique concept. Personally, I would rate the video quality you get out of them as poor. Security is only of use if you can get good recognition day and night and at a reasonable distance.
Also, above it’s been mentioned that many want to use these as wildlife cameras. You’re not going to keep a reliable wifi connection, if obtain one at all, any distance from the house. Even within a house the walls drop off the signal strength and bandwidth rapidly with distance caused by simply moving rooms. The possibility of recording locally to SD may help. However, power supply will remain an issue. There’s a reason professional cameras use POE and it’s not because they’re professional but simply because it works at any distance with both data and power.
USB is unworkable outside in many instances.
You seem to be conflating several different topics. My post was directly addressing two points you made.
The camera hardware is not made by Wyze for the current crop of cameras. That may change with the future. But the hardware is already marketed globally so it’s not holding anyone back. There are other issues.
The POE issue has nothing to do with anything we have talked about. The overwhelming majority of cameras and other iot devices world wide use USB power with no issues. POE if you desire it can be had for any camera via inexpensive adapters. So again a non issue.
Lastly a “trail camera” would use battery power not POE. And the battery would connect via USB.
I am getting the feeling that you are a big fan of POE which is great. There are existing ways to use POE with Wyze cameras right now.
I use the following adapter for my neighbor who already had a POE camera he wanted to replace with a Wyze camera. The adapters worked perfectly no additional wiring required.
UCTRONICS for Raspberry Pi PoE Splitter 5V [2-Pack] - Active PoE to Micro USB Adapter, IEEE 802.3af Compliant, for Tablets, Dropcam and Raspberry Pi 2/3, and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QPRVM51/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_TXvwDbMA2ZNGW
If wireless battery & usb cams are useless why have all major domestic cameras gone that way?
As I said before, Arlo are Netgear, the first ones were even badged Netgear
Netgear already produce domestic networking devices as well as commercial managed devices that incorporate poe yet the still decided against it for their cams
I think out of all of the camera manufacturers that says the most
I really think that if you made the wyze outdoor cam wired & poe only they would sell very few units especially compared to a usb chargeable battery powered cam version
I really feel that people want a cheaper, subscription free direct replacement for the likes of Ring, Arlo, Eufy, Nest etc