HMS - Is there really no self-monitoring option?

Not true. At all. Look it up.

A property’s alarm system can only be issued a UL certificate by a UL Listed alarm company. Why is this important? To become UL Listed, an alarm company must demonstrate exceptional competence and consistent adherence to relevant codes and standards. To maintain their UL listing, the alarm company must successfully demonstrate this level of service through an audit conducted by us on an annual basis.

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None of that applies to Wyze. Those certifications are for traditional and commercial alarm systems/companies. Just go look at the picture of the alarm system in the Fire and Security link. Those are the types of systems they are certifying. They aren’t certifying DIY systems like Wyze, because they don’t have a certification for that.

You mean like the ones @bryonhu was talking about and to which @Cubs10 was replying? :wink:

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Yes, that is why Wyze doesn’t have UL certifications, there is no certification for the type of system Wyze sells. So to say one is better than the other can’t really be determined. It’s just that one company has a certification for the type of product it sells (commercial/industrial alarm system) and the company opted to spend a lot of money to be certified.

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You are referring to the ALARM MONITORING SERVICE being UL Listed which is fantastic…and BTW NOONLIGHT (Wyze’s partner supplying the monitoring) IS UL LISTED. So while Wyze’s equipment may not be UL, their monitoring system is UL…

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You don’t know much about UL testing other than what you just stated about fire/electrical/product safety.

Wyze’s own monitoring center has a UL 827 rating for the monitoring center run by Noonlight,

All professional grade home and business alarm equipment is certified under UL 681
This certification applies to many factors such as reliability of communications to central station.

You lose internet you lose your security if your OK with that then maybe this Toy Alarm system is for you.

A UL certified system such as mine will connect over internet and if that fails it uses internal cellular data communicator to communicate to central station, this is called dual-path communications.

There are other UL codes that apply to systems also depending if they are also used for Fire and Medical monitoring.

There are plenty of systems that use cellular backup that are not UL certified either. Not sure why you’re going on about UL certification when that has nothing to do with your main point of Wyze not having cellular backup. Just say Wyze doesn’t have cellular backup and leave it at that. You don’t need to go on about how your $1000s system has certifications that mean nothing beyond the fact that Honeywell paid too much money just to have a certification.

Not to mention that has absolutely NOTHING to do with why I started this thread. If you want to go talk about that, go start your own thread and stop derailing this one just so you can tout that you paid way too much for your alarm system.

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When it comes to Security and Fire protection, myself I would rather be protected by equipment that has shown that it won’t fail randomly like Wyze products do frequently.

Back to your post about “Self-Monitoring” at least my unit will work without monitoring, and there are plenty of other professional alarm systems that will work without monitoring too. And a web SMS interface will send free of monthly charges a basic text notification of alarm.

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I’m shocked to find out a YUGO does not have the features of a LEXUS.

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Personally, I’m not at all pleased that Wyze has deleted the “Wyze Sense” product line and is now only offering a monitoring subscription package. I do not need any outside entity “monitoring” my domicile. At my house, someone is ALWAYS home (and armed), so we will not EVER be in the market to pay anyone to “monitor” our security. We will do it ourselves.

I do have a couple of extra Wyze door/window sensors and a couple of motion sensors that I haven’t yet added to my system, so I have room for expansion, but if Wyze ever turns off support for these and/or they stop working, I’ll be even less pleased. These things have uses that are not connected to “home monitoring” and fees are therefore unnecessary. For example, right now, I use a contact sensor on my master closet which turns on the closet light when I open the door. Hey Wyze - do I need you to monitor anything for this? NOPE. Making so that I can no longer simply buy the sensors I want UNLESS I pay for monitoring is… UNwise (yes, pun intended).

WYZE: Return to selling these items without the monitoring subscription.

They’ve already said that Sense v2 will be sold individually in the near future.

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This is why I stopped looking into the Wyze products for security, nothing they offer can give anyone home security like it’s intended to be done. The security of your home cannot be dependant on any other service like the internet or some subscription to keep it active. Those things should only be secondary options for notifying if there’s a breach in security. Every system should be able to be maintained, monitored and controlled independently within your home because the internet or the subscribing service have no guarantee they will be operating all the time, before the internet was here or the ability to monitor via any other method the security systems were still here. The Wyze products are a good product for having around for the price they are, you get what you paid for, it’s lie having a toy for your system to have around but outside of that there’s no security application they would applicable for.

I’d say you picked the wrong company then. Wyze is mostly a group of former Amazon engineers so their system is designed to be used with the Echo/Alexa infrastructure. So the lack of inclusion of self monitoring would make sense as they are just trying to add basic monitored security service to this infrastructure. The chip shortage has slowed everything down as I imagine it to be by design they are rolling these devices out so you need the service which would limit the number of users at first so they can work monitoring bugs easier with a smaller group of users. This low cost startup that use programs like Amazon and other GoFund style investments to get started usually use early users as Guinee Pigs to test, hence the special introductory pricing on most new devices.

The Wyze system is working just fine for me. If my cameras lose power they aren’t going to record. That’s going to happen with any system that isn’t on a battery back-up. The motion & contact sensors I have work just fine. I thought I might buy some more, but I just realized yesterday that I have 4 contact sensors, 4 motion sensors, and 1 v2 cam that I had in a box not even being used, so I shouldn’t need anything for a while.

I’m still in “test mode”, however, I expect my phone to “go crazy” whenever my alarm siren goes off. Is there a particular set of settings to make this happen?

I know there are notification settings, but I have the master notification setting set to “OFF” cuz I don’t need to know anything except if my Wyze alarm goes off.

Do you get contact sensor or motions ensor notifications? Think of them as standalone products that are synced to the HMS service. You can go into the individual sensors and turn their notifications on, off or whatever just like the previous v1 Sense sensors. So you could turn off all their push notifications, and only have HMS on, and only get hms notifications.

As an alarm investigator for an alarm company, I can inform you that UL also issues certifications for alarm companies. While products are tested for safety etc., they issue certs for insurance purposes (among other reasons). To be a certified central station many things must be met (must have firearm within reach, back up power automated and good for at least a certain amount of time etc. The point is UL is not only testing products for safety.

A #wishlist item has been created for this:

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Exactly, the Wyze system is not a UL listed alarm device therefore I would never trust it for Security especially with Wyze’s history.

I would rather pay a few dollars more a month for Quality monitoring service and Install Quality alarm equipment that has tons of accessories available rather than accessories “Coming Soon”…LOL

I was able to set my hardware up without activating first. It’s up and running my lights and doors without the HMS in place.