I agree, that would be nice. Unfortunately, I am no where near a good enough linux hacker to figure it out…
If you are just looking to backup your video feed, then you can install RTSP firmware and use a 3rd party app to record the feed. However, I have zero experience with RTSP.
It seems odd we would need to hack into a camera we own to download the data that is also our content. I think this is by design, so Wyze can sell us access to our data. I understand the need to make money, but you need to be reasonable. A camera I paid for connected to my network generating my data should be accessible to me at no charge.
I run Linux because I don’t want someone else deciding what I can do with my computer or the data on it.
I have been trying to make these cameras work for me, but it is starting to look like I may not be able to do that.
I have looked at that, but was trying to preserve the other functions that I am told may not work with RTSP firmware.
I may need to go that route, though.
Some people who want both RTSP and other functions end up just having 2 cams covering the same area. Then you get all the extra features on one cam (maybe all the AI detections, etc), and the second cam running RTSP to continue to have the full stream stored on an NAS. Also, with RTSP people have said they have been able to do their own person and object detection programs for free among many other features. So it is certainly worth looking into. Thankfully Wyze cams are fairly affordable, so having a second cam isn’t too bad of an extra cost even if you run 2 in order to have the best of both worlds.
Edit: If you do this, I would recommend not having them side-by-side. exactly, but make use of them of them by having them cover the same area from different angles and covering each other, so they are still separately useful.
I agree with the gist of this. I am also a long time Linux user and OS/2 before that. Monkey$oft has always been crap… And along with the mobile OSes, far too susceptible to big tech tyranny.
What also bothers me about wyze is the inability to access footage recorded to microSD earlier than the two weeks allowed by cloud recording. I would have much less of a beef if that was possible.
I continue to maintain that this is a comprehensive solution…
Not trying to be combative here, but this reeks of false government spending mentality… The sort that is used to justify over-taxation, perpetual budget mis-allocation, and bloat. Most of us are not interested in buying two of everything logistically or budgetarily when a better designed solution is in order…
I have been doing some more reading and I think I will try the RTSP firmware.
It looks like my NAS (Asustor) has an app I can import the cameras into and get some of the functions I want.
My trial of Cam plus will expire in a week, so I will sign up for a month to see if it is functional before committing to it.
No worries. I get it. Single coverage goes farther for less money, I did this at first, and still do in most indoor areas that I don’t care much about. Even now, it is only my few outdoor areas that I consider critical that have redundant coverage. I was mentioning it as an option for the people who don’t mind since the cameras are routinely only $20-$35.
The reason I have more than a single device covering an area include the following:
- I personally double up viewing area in critical areas so there is always a failsafe.
- I usually have the second camera coverage through another company too, that way if one company’s servers go down, the other can show me stuff and keep recording, alerting, etc.
- I also often have cameras covering the same area, but often from different ends and pointed slightly toward each other, so a person can’t sneak up behind any of the cameras and sabotage them without getting caught by the other camera.
These kinds of methods are pretty standard practice in the tech world (not just government). Often companies have multiple servers so if one goes down they don’t necessarily totally go down. Or Cloud storage is built this way to store the exact same data more than once, so if one harddrive crashes, the data isn’t lost. Even home storage is often turning to Redundant Arraay of Independent Disks as an example. Nearly anything professional is done based on these principles already.
Regardless, it would be preferable to have ALL the features simultaneously available in the cam at the same time for logistical and budgetary convenience as mentioned. The problem is that the V3’s don’t have the resources to run the RTSP AND get all the newer features. They don’t have the memory, processor, etc to do it all, so it’s just not something Wyze CAN do with the current model. That is why they branched the firmware into an either/or situation because it is just not capable of both.
This is also not uncommon with some competitors. For example, with my Eufy cams, even though RTSP and normal function are both on the cam at the same time, if I turn on RTSP, I automatically LOSE other features, they straight disable some things, including 2K recording getting disabled.
But I think the best solution here would be to use RTSP. The Wyze AI and cloud stuff is awesome and convenient (and I love it and use it myself on dozens of cams), but using RTSP firmware will allow a person to run the stream through other AI programs to still get all those detections and in a way not lose any functionality. So if a person definitely just wants a single cam, that is probably the way to go.
Alternatively, there are 3rd party solutions such as a new Home Assistant Docker app that will take the regular Wyze stream and make it act like RTSP. Others have leveraged Tiny Cam Pro to get the cams to run as though they are RTSP. So there are definitely plenty of options out there depending on an individual’s personal preferences and which solution they wish to employ. I was just giving options. Totally understand and respect the single cam coverage model though, as that’s all I do indoors too.
What? If you have either large enough card that it lasts more than two weeks (or use event only recording), or have a camera that runs at a fairly low data rate because nothing ever changes, you certainly can watch uSD card based recordings more than two weeks old. No, a 32GB card with continuous recording set for the highest resolution and lots of motion, will not last anywhere near that long. I have a couple cameras where the motion almost never changes, and larger cards that routinely last more than 2 weeks.
Yes, I agree with you. I access videos on my cams as far back as a month on some of my larger cards, or those that I set to record events only instead of continuous. I have never been limited to 2 weeks.
It just needs to be accessed from the camera → playback section directly, instead of linking to it from the Events tab. The events tab will still only go back 2 weeks, but the SD card recordings access goes back as far as there are recordings. Just can’t look for it in events, because events just means cloud. Wyze could relabel that for clarity, but they were trying to keep it short and fairly fairly intuitive.
I appreciate your response, but I think you misunderstand the import of my statement. Totally agree with you that 32gb gets you way more than 2 weeks… Especially using event-based recording only which I do.
The issue is, the only way to access footage further back than 2 weeks is to remove the card and browse through the folders. Historically, you can’t choose a date prior to the two week threshold and view conveniently through the app on a device. I stand corrected if that has changed or is about to change.
EDIT-1: Happy to discover that it actually is possible to access local recording prior to two weeks ago via the app now. Not sure this was the case back in the day, but my comments above aren’t accurate.
In my experience, this has never been the case.
From the home screen select any of your cams with an SD card in it. Select the bar at the bottom that says “View Playback” and then you will see a sliding timeline and a Date just below that. You can slide along the timeline to any date/time with video, or take a shortcut by clicking on the date and change it back to whatever date you want to jump to. If you view a date with no playback it will tell you there is no playback at the selected time, so move forward to when the last video is.
Doing this you can view videos even months ago if you have a big enough card or are set to record just events.
Hopefully that helps you no longer be limited by the 2 weeks in the cloud events tab now SD card is accessible as far back as there are recordings.
Pretty much always worked this way. Maybe they should add a notice in the events tab or something so it’s more clear.
Yup… Totally familiar with being in a playback context.
To test this, I actually chose a date from prior to two weeks ago where I knew that my camera was on & recording. Almost immediately, my app jumps back to present date & time. I concede that my knowledge of playback duration may be dated since I’ve been using wyze more than 3 years and don’t follow every single update in the release notes.
EDIT-1: OK, the attempt I reference above was using my carrier’s 5G. Upon arriving home and attaching to my personal wi-fi, this did work. Please disregard my statement to the contrary as misinformation… Any idea when this feature was rolled out? I don’t believe this was possible when I began using wyze. Dates prior to the two weeks event span didn’t seem like they were selectable back in the day… even within playback. Happy to have discovered that I can, in fact, access legacy footage conveniently now.
Sweet! I’m glad you got it working, that’s all that really matters. You could be right that it didn’t work that way when it first launched, I didn’t get my first Wyze Cam until spring of 2019, so I can’t vouch for anything before then, and I have never had a V1 cam. Even if it was supposed to be supported I’ve seen weirder bugs happen, and regardless I don’t doubt what you experienced anyway. What’s important is that it finally works for you the way you want now.
To clarify, all of my cams are actually cam pan v1. I have started rolling out some cam pan v2 for my parents and have been pleasantly surprised at the vastly improved night vision for the units I have mounted outdoors. It’s also very cool that we can now install larger MicroSD cards.
I will say, that for most things wyze, there are considerable fits of disconnect. Like the app will time out quite a bit during live viewing or switching between playback. That is kind of a historical issue, however. Agree that legacy footage accessibility is a win! Thanks to you folks for updating my features knowledge set…
Oh yeah, I do have one Pan V1 and one Pan V2. When I first got the Pan V1 I was insanely frustrated trying to use SD cards larger than 32GB even when I reformatted them to FAT32. It drove me crazy. I eventually gave up and switched to a 32GB card in that camera model. I am impressed if yours was working stable with a larger card in it earlier than the last year or so. I would not be surprised if there were some playback glitches in the Pan V1 playback that prevented you going back farther when it first launched. I am glad they have made improvements and I like the V2 a lot, just wish it was outdoor rated! (I use it outdoors anyway, though under an awning)
I might have conflated a few things causing confusion here. I have only ever used 32gb cards until last week when I installed a 64gb card in a cam pan v2. Having worked in IT for several decades, I am well familiar with file system constraints and never try to buck known geometric limits for important applications… 32gb per device was always plenty for me since I use event based recording exclusively.
Regarding outdoor use, I found that the pre-existing enclosures I had been using for my cam pan v1 we’re perfectly adequate for the v2. Obviously, the little USB port cover isn’t necessary and the speaker grilles are arranged a little differently, but I have all of mine mounted underneath generous eaves so there is really no moisture concern. Have now replaced all outdoor cam pan v1 w/v2 for my parents. The v1s we’re nearly flawless over 3 years. I think one of them got shorted out when something crawled inside the SD card slot, but all I had to do was blow that out with a duster, insert a new card, and all was well. Might have also been attributable to lightning damage even though I do have all of these cams connected to battery packs to buffer that as well as intermittent utility power outages.
EDIT-1: Meant to add here… Given what we have seen as the wyze paradigm for outdoor rated cameras (wco), I feel like the cam pan goes against their grain of prioritizing maximum battery life as king. The obvious reason here being that it is motorized where stationary cams are not. Wouldn’t hold my breath for an outdoor rated cam pan until we see more sustaininable power options like solar panels, quick change battery packs, etc.
Not trying to hijack this thread and this will be my last post in this vein. That said, I agree with your methodology here as it pertains to fault tolerance for critical systems. I even run RAID on my home server box. However, I am not trying to fully emulate best practices that I observe in my professional role at home. Nor do I believe the average consumer desires the additional planning, expense, and implementation overhead. Wyze is and has been improving vastly even in the face of a plandemic strained economy… And I applaud them. We certainly need to cheer for them and help keep up morale. However, the need also exists to identify areas that could use improvement. Neither specialized firmware nor redundant cams should be required when an add-on product (like a native DVR or concentrator appliance) might really solve a lot of problems for an entire installation base. This would also be a win for wyze itself since it furthers market development. Nor would such a thing upset the apple cart of their scalable approach. Just sayin…
This topic hasn’t been Active for a while but instead of pulling the card(s) I simply use Windows 11’s own ‘Screen Recorder’ app. If I’m viewing on Android, it’s own screen recorder.
Both capture full screen, timestamps included.